One of my most frequent readers made an interesting point on Wednesday regarding the coddling of pitchers and the idea of a six man rotation. Baseball is changing, constantly. It's a train that appears to be at a standstill, but if you wait long enough, you'll realize you're at a new depot and didn't even get a chance to look at the scenery. That pretty much describes today's change in pitching philosophy and care.
Just to get a gauge of how insanely different pitchers of this era are to the old days, at the age of 22, Babe Ruth pitched 326.3 innings (Mickey Lolich of the Detroit Tigers pitched 376 innings in 1971 for the Tigers. Holy crap) for a damn good Boston team, starting 41 games, winning 24 of them and amassing a healthy 2.01 ERA. 35 of those, were complete games. Yes, COMPLETE games, though the Babe stopped pitching two years later. Last year, Dontrelle Willis started the most games of any one with 35, and Roy Halladay pitched the most complete games with 7, and the next guy beyond him has 4. Are these guys weak? Or has the game itself changed?
Well, a little bit of both in my book. Guys throw harder now, and they throw a lot more junk, but the counter argument is that we know a lot more about physiology now. Guys know how to recuperate faster and have state of the art equipment to accelerate the healing process, rather then just beer, cigarettes and the ice you kept the beer in. But there's a counter argument, and his name is Nolan Ryan, but don't worry, I'll look at others too.
Nolan Ryan had a 27 year career in the bigs, carrying a sub 4.00 ERA in every single year, but one, which was his last. All in all, he pitched in 5,386 innings, appearing in 807 games, threw 222 complete games and 61 shutouts. Now, Nolan Ryan throws straight gas, and you can't deny that. He's a Hall of Famer, so people can call him an anomaly if they want, but Ryan pitched for over 270 innings five times in his career, over 300 innings twice, however, he still managed a 27 year career, with injuries scattered about in there as age and the innings increased. The argument starts to get a little clearer for innings limit around 1973-1975. In '73 and '74, Nolan Ryan pitched 326 and 332.2 innings respectively. He followed this with 198 innings in 1975, which I'm sad to say, I don't know why, but Ryan only pitched in 28 games, so injury was clearly the problem.
Ryan was a HOFer. How about a non-HOFer, say Mickey Lolich of Detroit Tiger's lore. Lolich was a pitcher for the Tigers from 1963-1975, followed by three short seasons with the Padres and Mets. Baseball-reference.com describes Mickey as having a top-notch fastball that has made him the top left-handed strikeout pitcher ever. With that in mind, Mickey piched 3,638 innings in just 16 years. He pitched more than 300 innings four times, all back to back, and even followed that up with 240 inning season. He pitched 195 complete games, with 41 shutouts, and yet he is not in the HOF.
After looking at these two players and really thinking about it, I've realized that this game has turned more into a business than ever before. In years past, you can't help, but be convinced that these guys threw just as hard, played more games and perhaps in shorter time frames. Hell, Mickey Lolich pitched three complete games in the 1968 World Series and only gave up five runs. So something is different. Something must be very different to see what we see now.
If you go from season to season starting in 1970, you will see that pitchers of the 70's had a limit of 300-360 innings per year, but after 1980, not one pitcher has surpassed the 300 inning mark. From 1980 to 1988, the max innings pitched was around the 280-295 mark and stayed there pretty consistently. In the 90's, it was around 265 innings. In this age, you're looking at no more than 250 IP in the last three years. In fact, only two pitchers have pitched for 270 innings in the last 18 years, those being Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson in 1991 and 1999. GMs are trying to protect their guys as much as possible from the injury bug, but it's almost as if these guys are getting more hurt now than the guys in the 1970's even though they pitch almost 100 innings less a year, or 200 if you're Ben Sheets.
Bluntly speaking, some of these guys are just wusses, while others are just unlucky, get tired too fast or don't have it in them to maintain control with high pitch counts. I wish I could get pitch counts for all these guys. I have a feeling the 100 pitch limit didn't matter to them then. At the same time though, the talent pool in those days was a lot smaller. There weren't thousands of kids trying out and playing minor or amateur pro leagues all over, which brings me to my final discussion of a ridiculously long post.
I understand the concept of the 6-man rotation, but I beg the question, is the talent pool really good enough to have a 6-man rotation? Think about all the five starters out there right now. None of them are particularly exciting. Do you really want to see Jorge De La Rosa pitch just as often as Gil Meche? And does tapering the innings for starting pitchers even more, effect their injury rate? The numbers really suggest no. The pitch limit for minor leaguers and growing men is understandable. You can seriously stunt their growth or cause abnormal growth, but grown men have the ability to prepare their body for anything. If man could pitch 300 innings in 1969 with no such thing as a hot tub in the clubhouse or an ultrasound in the training room or a bikes just behind the dugout, why can't someone do it now.
Let's hear your thoughts.
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Great article! I love the fact that you reference former Brewer Jorge De La Rosa and Gil Meche..when explaining the 5th and 1st pitchers.
Let's assume for a moment that the human brain has evolved throughout history. We are a smarter species today than we were 10,000 years ago. Maybe, our diets are worse and maybe we are closer to nuclear destruction, but we invented the machine...the computer...efficient plumbing....and sabermetrics.
It appears, at least on the surface, that we are also better off physically. We run a faster mile, jump higher, hit longer homeruns. but we tend to focus on the positive side of development whether it is body or mind related.
These days I think we are increasingly more and more lazy. The modern training techniques, private trainers, and protein drinks are a poor substitute for manual labor...The modern techniques don't stretch and strengthen the same muscles that baling hay does...Hey, there's another Royals reference...John Bale..
This explains the increase in arm related injuries...Then, there's the doctor dishing out quick diagnoses in search of a new patient and some extra cash.
On the other side of the coin, I think modern techniques will eventually get it right and surpass older methods. This is the interim phase like you described at the beginning of your article with the train depot metaphor. And when they perfect the training technique, baseball players will be better than they were before...
Specialization seems to contradict the work force where mult-tasking is considered an asset...but I think that's rhetoric so a company or a construction crew can save a buck....two jobs in one.. A left specialist brings a better product than an 8 inning starter me thinks.
And I don't think specialization is going away...it's a result of many factors....In the end, I think it will produce better players...but not necessarily better numbers because as pitchers get more specialized and more effective....batters improve as well....negating big seasons...
Trevor Hoffman leads the universe in saves...He is the ultimate specialized stat....but there's bound to be a new type of pitcher and another new stat some time soon...6 man rotation I say..
Hope we can get some community dilaogue on this one..
It would be interesting to see the percentage of arm related injuries over the years...like graph that showed the apparent hike...upward..
By the way, Dr. Mike Marshall has a website that lays out all his theories...He attributes arm injuries to improper motions which wouldn't explain the historic increase since pitchers throw...I assume...with the same motion..He does however offer a solution and has a low budget training school somewhere near Tampa Bay I think where pitchers learn the Marshall way. He gurantees them an injury free career...MLB doesn't recognize Marshalll as legitimate which is sort of surprising considering he has a Phd in kinesiology or something and was a pretty darn good reliever in his day....
Interesting thoughts Steve. I had to use De La Rosa and Meche because they were the best contrast in my book. Sick sabermetrics reference.
I would have liked to discuss the specialization of pitchers a little bit more, but I think that's a whole different can of worms, and perhaps a whole other post. This one was just getting long and I wanted to get it out, instead of holding on to it and working on it, like the post I'm working on that goes into guys who have down years and their ability to come back, ie what I hope Kendall will do this season.
I still don't think the 6 man rotation is going to happen. It's not so much the injuries that are pushing teams to start doing this, but more the talent pool out there when you start going six deep, as well as the part where you take away about 6 starts from your ace, which is conceivably a big problem. Pitching would turn into an even hotter commodity than it already is.
Here's to hoping Vargas shows up and wows some scouts looking to trade away a left handed pitching prospect.
Aaron..I was remembering a second ago that you were planning a trip to Nashville. Is that still in the works?
Remember Jorge De La Rosa when he was high on Brewer's radar? Ditto for Dana Eveland out in Oakland who by the way is pitching like Vina and never nervous Narveson....Actually, I've seen none of these guys pitch, but lights out numbers are lights out...
You were speaking about an article you're currently working on....about players who rebound....good topic! Makes me think of players who slip in the other direction and prospects who never pan out....Brad Komminsk, David Greene, Glenn Braggs....nd more recently...Andy Marte..
Anyway, regarding the pitcher arm injury blues, it's a great topic because MLB and family is in the dark about why..unless the sinister medical world is pulling a monopoly through obsolescence scam....build bad new cars, so consumers consume more...I hope the specialization going on diminishes soem of the arm problems...but again, it's hard to gauge because when I think about Yo's mysterious pre spint training knee jerk injury....I wonder how Carl Hubbel would have handled a similar situation..
"Ouch...what the hell was that?"
But, he'd probably keep throwing because there were no MRI's or arthroscopic surgeries or whatever...I'm thinking pitchers back in the day simple played injured like Vuke in 1982...beast of burden all September and Oktoberfest pitching with a noodle arm..pitching on guts...Then again, how long did his career last after 1982?
And about the 6 man rotation...I was thinking more along the lines like Sheets, Gallardo, Suppan as
1-2-3....and then splitting the last two spots between four pitchers...and maybe five if Chevas Regal Vargas isn't traded....The problem with that plan is ...what the hell do we do with Riske, Torres, Mota?...And anyway, there is still the bizarre inning problem with President Bush..
Enjoy the Vargas show tonite..
All the best Aaron!!
Steve
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